The IRC log of the meeting:

21:04 <@Hammerbear> Meeting time.
21:04 <@Hammerbear> I guess we'll wait until ElvenProgrammer finishes his dessert.
21:05 <+maci> back from work
21:05 <+Rotonen> :)
21:07 <+maci> hmm i am still not sure about which classes would be best
21:07 <@Hammerbear> Classes as in?
21:07 <+maci> as in character classes
21:08 <+maci> usually a mmorpg has 3 base classes... fighter, magican, healer.... and then there come a lot of subclasses
21:08 <@ElvenProgrammer> nah i was on the phone sorry, so let's start meeting
21:08 <@Hammerbear> Hmm, well anyway that's not something that should be on your mind for the next release.
21:08 <+maci> right
21:09 <+maci> i guess that has to wait until new server
21:09 <@ElvenProgrammer> so ideas on what's missing for the next release?
21:09 <@Hammerbear> In #manaworld I've said we could easily add short sword and fire enchanted sword, as Irukard has already drawn the icons for this. It would mean changing to 32x32 icons.
21:10 <@ElvenProgrammer> we also have to create the weapon sheet i guess
21:10 <+maci> one thing i would liek to see... if you click on a button like "Equip." then it opens.. if you click gain.. than it closes... sme thing i would like to see for the button "setup"
21:10 <@Hammerbear> The setup is a strange case, indeed.
21:11 <+maci> well it doesnt really work
21:12 <@Hammerbear> Well the setup window should be either dismissed or applied.
21:12 <+maci> i think it should be deactivated for now
21:13 <@ElvenProgrammer> so we're planning a new map and a new weapon before the release?
21:13 <@Hammerbear> ElvenProgrammer: There is no such thing as a new map yet.
21:13 <@ElvenProgrammer> Rotonen said he will add it
21:13 <@Hammerbear> But it would be cool.
21:13 <@Hammerbear> Well I don't like last minute drunken-man's maps.
21:13 <+Rotonen> if i don't get a hang of tweek i'll have to do it myself
21:14 <+Rotonen> and i'm trying to contract teh family too
21:14 <@Hammerbear> tweek hates Java.
21:14 <+maci> Hammerbear, i hate it too
21:15 <@ElvenProgrammer> this is not the point
21:15 <@ElvenProgrammer> so Hammerbear do we plan to move to 32x32 items?
21:15 <+Rotonen> i guess he is experiencing the heaviness of java or something :)
21:15 <@Hammerbear> No the point I was trying to make was that Rotonen shouldn't count on Tweek making a map. :)
21:16 <+Rotonen> Hammerbear: i'm only trying to get the partially made map file from him and finish it myself :)
21:16 <+maci> i dun hate java i hate the sun implementation of it
21:16 <@Hammerbear> ElvenProgrammer: Yes we could try that.
21:16 <+Rotonen> 32x32 vs 20x20 -> more detail -> definitely 32x32
21:16 <+Rotonen> why not 64x64 while we're at it ?
21:16 <+maci> haha
21:16 <@Hammerbear> And then scale it down? :/
21:17 <+Rotonen> no :P
21:17 <+maci> hmm
21:17 <@Hammerbear> 64x64 is huge. :P
21:17 <+Rotonen> hmm
21:17 <+maci> why not...
21:17 <+maci> haha
21:17 <@Hammerbear> They're icons, not pictures.
21:17 <+Rotonen> larger images for the item description popup
21:17 <@Hammerbear> I think 32x32 will be just fine.
21:17 <@Hammerbear> It's good for inventory, on the map and in a description popup.
21:18 <+Rotonen> yeah, i agree on 32x32
21:18 <+Rotonen> but disagree on the description illustrations
21:18 <+Rotonen> but i guess that can be rethought later on
21:18 <+Rotonen> so can ve say that we agreed on it and move on ?
21:19 <@ElvenProgrammer> ok i'll move them on 32 tomorrow
21:19 <@ElvenProgrammer> Rotonen: you will think on the canyon map, while i'll try to create a second level for the cave if i have time
21:19 <@ElvenProgrammer> Hammerbear: maybe you can think on the short sword?
21:19 <@Hammerbear> What to think about?
21:19 <+Rotonen> ElvenProgrammer: are all of the icons in the cvs ?
21:20 <@Hammerbear> No just the 20x20 ones.
21:20 <@ElvenProgrammer> Hammerbear: add it
21:20 <@Hammerbear> I've never added an item before, but I can try.
21:21 <@ElvenProgrammer> maybe it's better if i do it and you care of mopving items to 32?
21:21 <+Rotonen> Hammerbear: bully your brother into improving the cute fiery beast of death and the snake before release time sunday ? :)
21:21 <@Hammerbear> Btw I would like to work on making it possible to collapse/fold/shade windows.
21:21 <@Hammerbear> ElvenProgrammer: Yes that sounds better.
21:22 <@Hammerbear> Rotonen: We can ask him, yes.
21:22 <+Rotonen> yeah :)
21:22 <+Rotonen> i should've proposed that last week -_-
21:22 <@ElvenProgrammer> yeah -_-
21:22 <@ElvenProgrammer> Hammerbear: ok so describe better this idea
21:23 <@ElvenProgrammer> i think it's better to keep the knife attack graphic for the moment
21:24 <+Rotonen> we can use the knife attack graphic as a representative for _every_ weapon we implement
21:24 <+Rotonen> we just need the serverside stats of weapons and the icons for them
21:24 <@Hammerbear> Yes we can keep the knife attack I guess.
21:24 <+Rotonen> so let's just add EVERY icon as a weapon this time? :)
21:24 <@Hammerbear> I don't see the point of that.
21:24 <+Rotonen> well it'll be replaced soon enough, hopefully
21:25 <+Rotonen> Hammerbear: more pseudo content and some usage for artists work?
21:26 <@Hammerbear> Hmm.
21:26 <@Hammerbear> Well whatever we add now we can't add later.
21:27 <+Rotonen> but we would get more activity by adding more pseudo content
21:27 <+Rotonen> and more positive attention, i think
21:28 <@Hammerbear> Ok, well we'll see. We can at least add them all to the client and decide later how we want to use it in the game.
21:28 <+Rotonen> yeah
21:28 <+Rotonen> "we're going to do something different this month: there will be a new item released every monday" ;D
21:29 <+Rotonen> i like the concept
21:29 <+Rotonen> although we need a person to actually manage the pseudo server :P
21:30 <@Hammerbear> I think we have ElvenProgrammer.
21:30 <@ElvenProgrammer> =)
21:33 <+Rotonen> well yeah, but more actively so ElvenProgrammer can concentrate on the big things like programming and developing
21:33 -!- pinkie3 [~Miranda@ppp-126-151.27-151.libero.it] has joined #manaworld-dev
21:33 <@Hammerbear> Ok so, well I have a bug to fix about modal dialogs, I will make icons 32x32, and work on window shading.
21:34 <@Hammerbear> The item amount window and help window could still use some improvement too though.
21:34 <@ElvenProgrammer> i'll work on  a map and monsters and after Hammerbear moved icons to 32 i'll add some new items
21:35 <@Hammerbear> Also chat history needs to be limited.
21:36 <@ElvenProgrammer> we should open some tasks on flyspray
21:36 <@ElvenProgrammer> maybe maci wants to help us?
21:36 <@Hammerbear> Maybe that's a good idea.
21:37 <+maci> sure i want
21:37 <@Hammerbear> Also we need to prevent this chatting 'exploit' where somebody can pretend to talk as somebody else.
21:37 <@ElvenProgrammer> what?
21:37 <@Hammerbear> People use the wrapping to put somebody else's name before a message.
21:38 <@ElvenProgrammer> ahah nice
21:38 <@Hammerbear> Yes it is rather creative. :)
21:38 <+Rotonen> indenting
21:39 <@Hammerbear> Yeah I think I'd prefer the kind of indenting irssi also does.
21:39 <+Rotonen> read my mind
21:40 <+maci> alan parson project
21:40 <@Hammerbear> Reading minds is tough. :)
21:40 <@Hammerbear> maci: And what's that about?
21:41 <@Hammerbear> Anyway I guess we have also decided to focus on client side visual improvements the next two days and forget about our server project until Monday.
21:41 <+maci> they had a song .. " i am the eye in the sky.. looking at you i can read your mind"
21:42 <@Hammerbear> I see.
21:42 <@ElvenProgrammer> Hammerbear: well we're not releasing the server
21:43 <@Hammerbear> I agree.
21:43 <@ElvenProgrammer> =)
21:44 <@Hammerbear> Aw, maci closed my Guichan 0.3.0 task. :|
21:44 <@Hammerbear> I guess I'll quickly need to get rid of the bug that kept it open then. ;)
21:45 <+maci> ;)
21:46 <@Hammerbear> Having Pine open in another screen window turns out to be rather convenient, as it displays "Bell in window X" when new email is arriving. :)
21:47 <+Rotonen> so
21:48 <+Rotonen> where'd deviexx go? :P
21:49 <@Hammerbear> I don't care. :P
21:50 <+Rotonen> neither do i, but he would've made this meeting more lively
21:51 <+Rotonen> hmm
21:51 <@Hammerbear> I'm not sure if that'd have been good.
21:51 <+Rotonen> so if we summarize everything that we should still add ?
21:51 <+Rotonen> i think he is capable
21:51 <@Hammerbear> Well I just summarized what I'm going to do.
21:51 <+Rotonen> well yeah, but i was thinking about closing and doing the minutes :)
21:51 <@ElvenProgrammer> me too
21:51 <@Hammerbear> Yes but he's concerned with content, which is not what I like discussing.
21:52 <@Hammerbear> Ok Rotonen will do the minutes. :)
21:52 <@Hammerbear> And maci will be Flyspray managing director.
21:52 <+maci> kewl
21:52 <+Rotonen> ? O.o
21:52 <+Rotonen> i was thinking about going to bed right now